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Third Hand Smoke?

Postby jms » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:49 pm

Interesting article... What do you guys here think? This article seems to imply mostly cigarette tobacco. However, doing further research, some articles are generalizing all tobacco.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-is-third-hand-smoke

What is third-hand smoke? Is it hazardous?
Researchers warn cigarette dangers may be even more far-reaching

By Coco Ballantyne

Ever take a whiff of a smoker's hair and feel faint from the pungent scent of cigarette smoke? Or perhaps you have stepped into an elevator and wondered why it smells like someone has lit up when there is not a smoker in sight. Welcome to the world of third-hand smoke.

"Third-hand smoke is tobacco smoke contamination that remains after the cigarette has been extinguished," says Jonathan Winickoff, a pediatrician at the Dana–Farber/Harvard Cancer Center in Boston and author of a study on the new phenomenon published in the journal Pediatrics. According to the study, a large number of people, particularly smokers, have no idea that third-hand smoke—the cocktail of toxins that linger in carpets, sofas, clothes and other materials hours or even days after a cigarette is put out—is a health hazard for infants and children. Of the 1,500 smokers and nonsmokers Winickoff surveyed, the vast majority agreed that second-hand smoke is dangerous. But when asked whether they agreed with the statement, "Breathing air in a room today where people smoked yesterday can harm the health of infants and children," only 65 percent of nonsmokers and 43 percent of smokers answered "yes."

"Third-hand smoke," a term coined by Winickoff's research team, is a relatively new concept but one that has worried researchers and nonsmokers for several years. "The third-hand smoke idea—concern over that—has been around for a long time. It's only recently been given a name and studied," says Stanton Glantz, director of the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at the University of California, San Francisco. "The level of toxicity in cigarette smoke is just astronomical when compared to other environmental toxins [such as particles found in automobile exhaust]," he adds, but notes that he is not aware of any studies directly linking third-hand smoke to disease [as opposed to second-hand smoke, which has been associated with disease].

ScientificAmerican.com asked Winickoff to explain exactly what third-hand smoke is and why it poses a public health risk.

How exactly do you distinguish between second- and third- hand smoke?
Third-hand smoke refers to the tobacco toxins that build up over time—one cigarette will coat the surface of a certain room [a second cigarette will add another coat, and so on]. The third-hand smoke is the stuff that remains [after visible or "second-hand smoke" has dissipated from the air]…. You can't really quantify it, because it depends on the space…. In a tiny space like a car the deposition is really heavy…. Smokers [may] smoke in another room or turn on a fan. They don't see the smoke going into a child's nose; they think that if they cannot see it, it's not affecting [their children].

Smokers themselves are also contaminated…smokers actually emit toxins [from clothing and hair].

Why is third-hand smoke dangerous?
The 2006 surgeon general's report says there is no risk-free level of tobacco exposure…. There are 250 poisonous toxins found in cigarette smoke. One such substance is lead. Very good studies show that tiny levels of exposure are associated with diminished IQ.

What do you consider the most dangerous compound in cigarette smoke?
I would say cyanide, which is used in chemical weapons. It actually interferes with the release of oxygen to tissues. It competitively binds to hemoglobin [meaning it competes with oxygen for binding sites on the blood's oxygen-carrying molecule, hemoglobin]. Basically people with cyanide poison turn blue…. [And] arsenic, that is a poison used to kill mammals. We [used to] use it to kill rats. And there it is in cigarette smoke.

Why are the risks associated with exposure to third-hand smoke different for children and adults?
The developing brain is uniquely susceptible to extremely low levels of toxins. Remember how we talked about the layers of toxin deposits on surfaces? Who gets exposure to those surfaces? Babies and children are closer to [surfaces such as floors]. They tend to touch or even mouth [put their mouths to] the contaminated surfaces. Imagine a teething infant.

Children ingest twice the amount of dust that grown-ups do. Let's say a grown-up weighs 150 pounds [68 kilograms]. Let's say a baby weighs 15 pounds [seven kilograms]. The infant ingests twice the dust [due to faster respiration and proximity to dusty surfaces]. Effectively, they'll get 20 times the exposure.

Studies in rats suggest that tobacco toxin exposure is the leading cause of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). We think it is [caused by] respiratory suppression.

What types of places or materials harbor the greatest amount of third-hand smoke?
Anywhere you see an enclosed space you should watch out for [it].

By introducing the phrase "third-hand smoke" in your research, what do you hope to accomplish?
This study points to the need for every smoker to try to quit. That's the only way to completely protect their children…. Really, I think that what this says is that we need to have sympathy for smokers and help them quit smoking…. [And also] that the introduction of this concept will lead to more smoke-free spaces in…public.
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby Nightshade » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:21 pm

jms wrote: This article seems to imply mostly cigarette tobacco. However, doing further research, some articles are generalizing all tobacco.


Here in lay the whole anti tobacco war......Cigarettes! :evil: No one dare come rightout and say it but cigarettes are the reason for the tobacco war since they are so toxic by design

The tax money that cigarettes bring every year are the only reason , IMO, that they have not been made illegal. Todays cigarette is nothing more than a nicotine delivery device for the addict very much like heroin and the needle. :x :x :x :x :x
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby bearded1 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:18 pm

Not suprised...disgusted, just not suprised.

I find it very odd to see such momentum behind legalizing pot, but an ever-increasing desire from the "sacred few" to criminalize tobacco. It's all quite surreal really...
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby RompinDonkey » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:43 pm

It just makes me feel sick that the hatred coming from non-smokers has gone this far

Why is there no mention of the "third hand smoke" that contaminates us all - just from a city? Don't cars emit poisonous smoke?

All of those toxins will be in your hair, absorbed into your skin - in your clothes ....

Does a really clean industrial factory exist? One that emits absolutely nothing dangerous into our air or water system?

A study was done a few years ago about our trains in the UK. The clever people swabbed the seats. Those seats that we sit on, rub our hands on - those seats that contaminate us. It really was a sickening discovery to know what exists on a train seat. I expect that non smokers deposited a lot of it.....
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby Jay » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:29 pm

I'll quote the late Bill Hicks "...non-smokers die...EVERY DAY!" God I hope my nieces and nephews don't start licking my windshield! And I might as well shave my head, since my curly mop is emitting third hand smoke!

Why don't these people do research to better our food supply? I'm much more concerned and frightened by what our food goes through and what it is contaminated by than my "third hand smoke." Something like 1/3 of children born after 2000 in the USA will be diabetic, a direct result of the use of high fructose corn syrup being used in nearly everything we eat. ??? Get this, our beef, mostly the fatty stuff that's ground into burger meat...is contaminated by E-Coli. Instead of stopping and saying, " :o why is this beef contaminated?" we say, "Screw it, wash it with AMMONIA! That'll do the trick!" Look it up. Also, the bacteria count on store-bought chicken...well, I won't even go there. Bottom line, we have much more important things to worry about, many more problems that need immediate attention lest our children fall deeper into the pit of obesity and stupidity.


And touching on Alan's point, we live in a contaminated world. Get used to it, right? That's what immune systems are for. And it stands to reason that it ain't gonna clean up as long as humans roam. I live 20 miles from what was once the most dangerous (in terms on toxins released into the atmosphere and ground) chemical manufacturing complexes in the USA. They've now torn down most of the factories. That's great.
So here's what we do with the land surrounding the site. Plant prairie grasses, clear a few roads and build subdivisions. And tell the new residents not to let the kids get muddy, to check their water periodically for contaminants (including massive quantities of lead). But hey, I guess if they say it's safe, it's safe right? If the land developer says it's all right we'll believe him. He wouldn't sell millions of dollars worth of land if it wasn't safe? Would he?

Have these anti's ever touched a doorknob?

But still, the anti-tobacco creeps waste their time and energy with shit like this. Third Hand Smoke. I'll give ya some Third Hand Smoke.
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby brim325 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:58 am

You Tell Ummm Jay LOL. Agreed!!!!!!


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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby highstump » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:34 pm

"Or perhaps you have stepped into an elevator and wondered why it smells like someone has lit up when there is not a smoker in sight."

Well as a matter of fact, yes I have. I do however have sense enough to know that it causes me no more harm than stepping through the kitchen door and knowing that someone has been frying bacon. :o
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby Quigzinator » Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:34 am

Smokers themselves are also contaminated…smokers actually emit toxins

so they are starting to slander us out in the open, and call us a public hazzard. WTF
Don't talk or assoicate with smokers, they will kill you!!!! what a load of bull!
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby Stan41 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:08 pm

What about 4th and 5th hand smoke?
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby dlgillen » Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:00 pm

jms wrote:Interesting article... What do you guys here think?

I try Not Too... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby acaciavet » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:20 pm

What do expect from some one named Coco!!. To all the anti smokers who dont like what I do."Bite me"
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby highstump » Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:45 pm

I am generally able to shut down most people right away when they start in on me. I tell them to compare smoking related deaths to deaths resulting from impared drivers in a given year. Then we will talk.
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby gnossos » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:31 am

third hand smoke has to be the dumbest phrase I've ever encountered
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby SmokinFool » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:21 am

acaciavet wrote:To all the anti smokers who dont like what I do."Bite me"


LOL! Chuck, you are extremely adept at getting your point across. I agree whole-heartedly!
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby highstump » Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:02 pm

gnossos wrote:third hand smoke has to be the dumbest phrase I've ever encountered


Stay tuned G, I am betting they have more (and ever dumber) in the works. :roll:
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby epr64 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:05 pm

Quigzinator wrote:Smokers themselves are also contaminated…smokers actually emit toxins

so they are starting to slander us out in the open, and call us a public hazzard. WTF
Don't talk or assoicate with smokers, they will kill you!!!! what a load of bull!

Ah. Somebody who understands.

First, they "denormalised" the act of smoking.
Then, they "denormalised" smoke in the air.
Now, they will "denormalise" smokers themselves, because one and two still leaves 20% smokers.

The problem, of course, is that "denormalising" people, drives directly to discrimination.

And that's the goal.

Cheers anyway.
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby highstump » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:36 pm

Quigzinator wrote:Don't talk or assoicate with smokers, they will kill you!!!!


If only it was that easy. :twisted:
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby KevLa » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:10 am

Coco Ballantyne in Scientific American wrote:...Welcome to the world of third-hand smoke...

More like "Welcome to the world gone mad"! :roll:
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby englanddave » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:56 pm

I have not been in a pub since the smoking ban was introduced :evil:
and from the look of things all the non smokers who complained
about us filthy smokers have not flocked to them either,our service industry has suffered tremendously since this infernal ban.
CAUSING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO LOSE THEIR JOBS AND LIVELYHOODS. we certainly don,t live in a democracy any more,
and were are treated like criminals for imbibing a
a completely legal product for which we in the uk are paying a
disproportionate level of tax.NON SMOKERS go hassle Someone Else GET OFF MY BACK and give up your Cars and
Electricity YOU cause far far more pollution EVERY DAY than I could smoking my pipe for a thousand years.WE are not killing YOU. Industry and the Government are the one,s you should be railing against. :evil:
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby KevinKeith » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:23 pm

Third hand gives me a good smellin', toxic mustache!
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