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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby bob9039 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:33 am

The scarry thing is people believe this crap about third hand smoke. I've heard people talking about it.

IT'S TOTAL B.S. Typical propaganda. As someone stated, there is not one shred of scientific evidence. Scientific American of all publications should do their homework before publishing some idiots attempt to make a name for himself.

I don't believe it at all.
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby brim325 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:08 am

bob9039 wrote:The scarry thing is people believe this crap about third hand smoke. I've heard people talking about it.

IT'S TOTAL B.S. Typical propaganda. As someone stated, there is not one shred of scientific evidence. Scientific American of all publications should do their homework before publishing some idiots attempt to make a name for himself.

I don't believe it at all.


I AGREE Bob, People are so Damed Gullible, How in the Bloody Hell can they compare breathing smoke from the exposed air around them to smoking & inhaling the smoke themselves?"???? I will be the first one to admit, smoking ciggs & inhaling them, is very bad for your health, with that said !!!!!! We are all ADULTS ? Are we not? All I have to say is, Very Rude!!!! To the Idiots!!! FUK Ummm I'm a Grown Man, PISS OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby ScotsJim » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:51 am

brim325 wrote:
bob9039 wrote:The scarry thing is people believe this crap about third hand smoke. I've heard people talking about it.

IT'S TOTAL B.S. Typical propaganda. As someone stated, there is not one shred of scientific evidence. Scientific American of all publications should do their homework before publishing some idiots attempt to make a name for himself.

I don't believe it at all.


I AGREE Bob, People are so Damed Gullible, How in the Bloody Hell can they compare breathing smoke from the exposed air around them to smoking & inhaling the smoke themselves?"???? I will be the first one to admit, smoking ciggs & inhaling them, is very bad for your health, with that said !!!!!! We are all ADULTS ? Are we not? All I have to say is, Very Rude!!!! To the Idiots!!! FUK Ummm I'm a Grown Man, PISS OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I agree with both of you. Trouble is though, people who're vehemently anti smoking ( or anti anything for that matter ) will come up with any old shite to justify their stance.

Ever noticed how, just prior to almost never seeing anyone smoke in movies / TV, it was always the villain who smoked ? Obviously , there's a strong correlation between smoking and criminal activity. Pretty soon now if you find yourself in court, even on some minor traffic offence or suchlike, and you smoke, your sentence will be much harsher than that of a good clean non smoking citizen.

Prosecutor : Furthermore M' lud, not content with breaking the 30mph speed limit in a built-up area, the accused was seen lighting a filthy pipe. May I remind the court that the area the accused was caught speeding is within a mile radius of a childrens play area.

I wish I was joking but this'll probably be the case before long.

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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby KevinM » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:53 pm

As a scientist in the environmental consulting industry, I say "show me the proof". Establishing the presence of a toxin is one thing. Being able to prove its related to a specific cause is another. You can skew any data set. Wiping the furniture inside a smokers house and claiming it has toxins known to harm man present AND attributed to smoking can only be valid if furniture inside a completely non-smoking environment were sampled as well for comparison or base-line study. You also need to look at concentrations, migration pathways,etc., etc. The toxin MUST be able to migrate into the organisms system in sufficient concentrations to be harmful. The toxin just being present doesn't cut it. This is the science behind "legal" pollutants being allowed to be emitted into our air, waters, and soils by industry. These industries aren't saying they are not emitting these toxins, they are just proving they are not emitting these toxins into migration pathways, or in enough quantity to do harm.
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby jms » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:56 am

KevinM wrote:As a scientist in the environmental consulting industry, I say "show me the proof". Establishing the presence of a toxin is one thing. Being able to prove its related to a specific cause is another. You can skew any data set. Wiping the furniture inside a smokers house and claiming it has toxins known to harm man present AND attributed to smoking can only be valid if furniture inside a completely non-smoking environment were sampled as well for comparison or base-line study. You also need to look at concentrations, migration pathways,etc., etc. The toxin MUST be able to migrate into the organisms system in sufficient concentrations to be harmful. The toxin just being present doesn't cut it. This is the science behind "legal" pollutants being allowed to be emitted into our air, waters, and soils by industry. These industries aren't saying they are not emitting these toxins, they are just proving they are not emitting these toxins into migration pathways, or in enough quantity to do harm.


Your post reminds me of a recent work related trip to California. I passed a sign going into the lobby of the hotel room that read:

"Warning, As a result of smoking in designated areas, this facility contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm."
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby KevLa » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:03 am

jms wrote:..."Warning, As a result of smoking in designated areas, this facility contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm."

Oh, for crying out loud! :roll:
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby aquaholic » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:06 am

KevLa wrote:
jms wrote:..."Warning, As a result of smoking in designated areas, this facility contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm."

Oh, for crying out loud! :roll:


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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby SmokinFool » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:29 pm

aquaholic wrote:Ahhh California, the land of fruit and nuts.... :lol:


Ain't that the truth! You gotta love 'em!
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby ScotsJim » Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:32 pm

SmokinFool wrote:
aquaholic wrote:Ahhh California, the land of fruit and nuts.... :lol:


Ain't that the truth! You gotta love 'em!


Huh ;

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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby KevinM » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:06 am

Yeah, and if you drink too much water, breath too much oxygen, etc., etc., it will KILL YOU!! The whole frickin' world in its natural state contains chemicals known to be harmfull to man, blah, blah, blah!!! OK, you dont want to be around it, fine!! But, allow me to establish places where a person CAN be around it if they want. There should be smoking bars/pubs, restaurants, and everything else you may choose. Why not smoking flights, or entire smoking hotels?? To be honest, I think its the fact the non-smoking places would suck and NOBODY would go to them if they had a choice.
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby hoojoe » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:10 pm

Anything can be demonized with the proper wording and calling for us to think of the children.
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby kats » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:49 pm

I'm calling my congressman today!! We need to get Di-hydrogen Monoxide banned. :evil:
I'm going to start a local "grass-roots" effort - yea, maybe even a rally at the Capital... on second thought, it's raining like crazy today - we''re on track for record rainfall this month (I'm sure it's because of global warming) and I hate getting wet.
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby rxman » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:47 pm

As a seasoned health care professional for over 40 years, I have but one word for "third hand smoke" (and second hand smoke for that matter), ....BULLCRAP! (toned down for possible censorship).

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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby ScotsJim » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:23 pm

hoojoe wrote:Anything can be demonized with the proper wording and calling for us to think of the children.
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
Dihydrogen Monoxide! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!


Bugger the children ! What about ME ? !

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P.S. I am joking ? Ok ? ;) :lol:
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby jms » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:53 pm

ScotsJim wrote:
hoojoe wrote:Anything can be demonized with the proper wording and calling for us to think of the children.
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
Dihydrogen Monoxide! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!


Bugger the children ! What about ME ? !

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P.S. I am joking ? Ok ? ;) :lol:


C'mon, where is your compassion gene?
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby aquaholic » Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:39 am

jms wrote:
C'mon, where is your compassion gene?


He used his last one on dug....ask his wife. :lol: ;) :lol:
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby ScotsJim » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:51 am

jms wrote:C'mon, where is your compassion gene?


Joke Jeff. And don't call me Gene ! :lol:

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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby ScotsJim » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:54 am

aquaholic wrote:
jms wrote:
C'mon, where is your compassion gene?


He used his last one on dug....ask his wife. :lol: ;) :lol:


As an experiment once, I locked both my wife and Dug! in the cupboard under the stairs for an hour. When I let them out, Dug! jumped at me in welcome, but the wife ranted and nagged....

Go figure :lol:

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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby PseudoNim » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:55 pm

"The level of toxicity in cigarette smoke is just astronomical when compared to other environmental toxins [such as particles found in automobile exhaust],"


Amazing !!!!! people used to spend days, nay, years in smoke filled offices, rooms, bars etc yet they seem to have survived, you try sticking your car in the garage with the engine running and the door closed and see how long you last.
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Re: Third Hand Smoke?

Postby ScotsJim » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:24 pm

PseudoNim wrote:"The level of toxicity in cigarette smoke is just astronomical when compared to other environmental toxins [such as particles found in automobile exhaust],"


Amazing !!!!! people used to spend days, nay, years in smoke filled offices, rooms, bars etc yet they seem to have survived, you try sticking your car in the garage with the engine running and the door closed and see how long you last.


Aint that the truth !

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