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the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Sun May 23, 2010 5:29 am

Does anyone have any data on just how bad this is going to destroy the gulf? We aren't getting tons of data up in the NE but the stuff we're seeing is that this is basically catastrophic. They are adding coagulants to make the oil fall beneath the sea level so that it doesn't look as bad from the sky but apparently this is getting to be pretty major, a few attempts to stop the flow have failed and it's getting in to ocean currents heading out of the gulf.

BP is saying that it estimates 5,000 barrels a day are being leaked but supposedly (this is hearsay) some independent sources are claiming up to 50,000 barrels. I assume neither number is correct, but that it lies somewhere in between.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Sun May 23, 2010 6:03 am

50,000 may be a low estimate.
There's no telling how bad it may turn out.
BP has a shitty safety record and they
were pushing to go faster.
People saw this coming and were ignored.

Watch this (two parts):
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id= ... dy;housing

I'm all for offshore drilling, but I can't believe any company
would cut corners with so much at stake. It's like a bad movie.
There's another BP rig in deeper water, "Atlantis" that could dwarf this disaster.
This could have been prevented. It's criminal negligence.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Sun May 23, 2010 6:12 am

My biggest concern is that they're just the ones who got caught... :/ I know nothing about the standardization of the industry.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby SmokinFool » Sun May 23, 2010 8:54 am

gnossos wrote:My biggest concern is that they're just the ones who got caught... :/ I know nothing about the standardization of the industry.


That's just it, there are no standards yet as to how best to avoid a catastrophic oils spill, let alone how to clean it up. I'm not real big on government regulations, but I think there has to be some enforceable standards that must be met by all oil companies.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby acaciavet » Sun May 23, 2010 2:29 pm

I am not a tree hugger but this pisses me off,The Obama administration gave theis rig a safety award last year,and the Hope and chane clown took their campaign money. I hate seeing animals suffer I wish it was politicians gasping for their breath. I am convinced this country sucks and I am a Vet.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby highstump » Sun May 23, 2010 7:41 pm

The fact of the matter is that these things are going to happen. Nothing can ever be built without the risk of it failing at some point weather it is a hotel, a bridge, or an oil drilling rig. Why are we drilling in the gulf? We are drilling in the gulf because that's where the oil is and people demand oil.

I don't like seeing things of this sort any more than the next guy and I can yelp, holler, and raise hell about it but the fact is I will I will yelp, holler, and raise hell the next time gas goes up a few cents a gallon too. I have been told that hybrid technology is the answer. Well, it's not an answer for me as yet and it won't be an answer for anyone else that works for wages as long as it adds another 15K to the sticker. It really doesn't matter how much gas is saved if the initial price is out of reach.

Anything that has a potential for great reward also has a potential for great loss. We tend to lose sight of the risks involved at times.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Sun May 23, 2010 8:09 pm

highstump wrote:The fact of the matter is that these things are going to happen.


THIS thing didn't have to happen.
They knew the blow out preventer was crippled and
they continued anyway and faster at that.
Criminal negligence!
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby highstump » Sun May 23, 2010 11:03 pm

Hermit wrote:
highstump wrote:The fact of the matter is that these things are going to happen.


THIS thing didn't have to happen.
They knew the blow out preventer was crippled and
they continued anyway and faster at that.
Criminal negligence!


I agree Hermit, and I'm not saying it's OK. I am only saying these things don't surprise me anymore. One of the guys I work with was a Petroleum Engineer working for Texaco in a past life. He holds BP in very low esteem.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Sun May 23, 2010 11:14 pm

see this is part of why I don't think it matters whether global warming is real or not... it would be nice to move away from oil just because of stuff like this :/

but yeah it really shouldn't have happened and was preventable so I guess that's another topic. I asked my Libertarian buddy what his opinion was re: regulation and his take was that regulations actually set a limit on how much a company can be sued for, that stuff like this should basically end a company but it won't because of the limits.

Definitely an interesting thought.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Mon May 24, 2010 1:00 am

highstump wrote:
Hermit wrote:
highstump wrote:The fact of the matter is that these things are going to happen.


THIS thing didn't have to happen.
They knew the blow out preventer was crippled and
they continued anyway and faster at that.
Criminal negligence!


I agree Hermit, and I'm not saying it's OK. I am only saying these things don't surprise me anymore. One of the guys I work with was a Petroleum Engineer working for Texaco in a past life. He holds BP in very low esteem.


I certainly didn't think that you meant there was anything OK about it.
But it did surprise me.
We had a few rigs disappear during Katrina; no oil was spilled.
The blow out preventer was supposed to prevent a blow out.
I just can't believe they proceeded knowing it might not work.
There was just too much at stake to cut any corners.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Nightshade » Mon May 24, 2010 9:41 pm

The oil will get into the worlds oceans natrual flow and go 'round the world. :cry: :cry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Tue May 25, 2010 12:58 am

yeah I'm really concerned what this is going to do to the fish on a large scale. I don't really know what a solution to the immediate threat is at all, not even a hint of a clue.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Tue May 25, 2010 1:23 am

Nightshade wrote:The oil will get into the worlds oceans natrual flow and go 'round the world. :cry: :cry:


Cool! Just get it oughtta the Gulf.

(just kidding - couldn't hep mysef.) :lol:
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Tue May 25, 2010 1:51 am

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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Tue May 25, 2010 2:22 am



That's some depressing shit right there. :evil:
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby SmokinFool » Tue May 25, 2010 4:45 am

Hermit wrote:


That's some depressing shit right there. :evil:


That it is. I agree with Chuck, you don't have to be a tree-hugger to be pissed off about this.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Tue May 25, 2010 11:08 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

"Industry sources say that BP told three workers from the oil services firm Schlumberger they could go home without doing a key test of the sturdiness of the cement in the hole, something that would have taken several hours; they left the rig 11 hours before the well blew up."
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Tue May 25, 2010 11:21 pm

yeah they are ridiculous, we are going to have to step in at some point. They are using a dispersal chemical that the EPA has demanded they don't use because of how harmful it is, even in light of the oil issue.

also they are blocking it wrong, I forget what those big foam worm things they're using are called otherwise I could find the article I read about it, but basically they're doing it utterly, utterly wrong which is why it isn't really doing much at all.

Obama's getting pretty mad http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... -damn-hole

I really think we're going to end up having to give BP the boot and clean it up on our own damn dime. This is a terrible.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Tue May 25, 2010 11:44 pm

gnossos wrote:I really think we're going to end up having to give BP the boot and clean it up on our own damn dime. This is a terrible.


I don't think that's an option.
The gubment ain't in the oil biz.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Wed May 26, 2010 2:48 am

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwells_update24052010.htm

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