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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:00 am

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybe ... y_id=66877

"To get around the restrictions of the Jones Act, Vial sold nine of his boats to a private contractor in Florida. The Jones Act prevents foreign crews and foreign ships from transporting goods between U.S. ports. Vial said that after the sale, the boats were no longer considered foreign and can now be deployed. There is still no word if the boats have been finally deployed."

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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:03 am

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill ... kes_v.html


"With no assurances it will be allowed to join the Gulf of Mexico oil spill cleanup, a Taiwanese-owned ship billed as the world's largest skimming vessel was preparing to sail Friday evening to the scene of the Deepwater Horizon disaster."


"The company said it also needs a waiver of the 1920 Jones Act, which limits the activities of foreign-flagged ships in coastal U.S. waters. The A Whale is Liberian-flagged vessel.

Grantham said TMT was hopeful it could secure the necessary approvals during the ship's three-day passage to the Gulf.

The converted oil tanker has the capacity of holding 2 million barrels, but would limit its holding tanks to 1 million barrels for environmental reasons. Oil skimmed up by the tanker would be separated from seawater, then transferred to another vessel.

Its owners claim the ship could gulp oily water at a daily rate that nearly matches the skimming total to date in the Gulf."
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:19 am

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"Critics of cleanup efforts say red tape is blocking hundreds of oil skimming boats"
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:59 pm

right but the jones act only applies to 3 miles within our coast, which also needs cleaning, but so does all the stuff out near the 50-mile-out spill

should probably be waived so they can come in closer, but it was interesting to learn the limitations of the jones act
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:54 pm

So why not just waive it and end all confusion?
Might piss off the unions?
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:27 pm

Frankly I don't know, my understanding is that the biggest problem is beyond the bounds of the Jones Act and we're more worried about the stuff further out... I think. I don't know.

What I do know is that a BP whistleblower is going to testify soon http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Politic ... s-cover-up

About the dispersant they're using to sink it. Also, instead of cleaning beaches, BP is trucking in new sand to cover the oil slicked beaches in some cases.

Interestingly enough, the above article mentions that it isn't the US who isn't wanting to use foreign skimmers, it's BP who refuse to let them help - supposedly because their plan is to just use CoreExit to sink as much as possible, as what isn't found they can't be fined for.

"McCallister is set to appear before a Senate investigative panel on Thursday and testify that BP’s only interests regarding the Deepwater Horizon spill is protectimg their own financial interests. His statements explained why BP has been refusing offers of help from additional foreign skimmers.

BP’s fear is that independent skimmers would be able to count the number of gallons collected, and thus provide the US government with data to assess spill rate financial penalties against BP, according to McCallister."

And you know no one is going to see the inside of a jail cell. So many people involved need to be in prison for this.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:29 pm

I feel like the relief wells that are being drilled is the only conceivable reason to let BP be involved in this at all right now

a bunch of them should go to jail, we should clean it with international help, and then send them the whole bill. Period.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:35 am

gnossos wrote:I feel like the relief wells that are being drilled is the only conceivable reason to let BP be involved in this at all right now

a bunch of them should go to jail, we should clean it with international help, and then send them the whole bill. Period.


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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:42 am

Sixty-five feet.
Yeah, new Gubmint rules ban reporters from
getting within sixty-five feet of oil soaked
birds, booms, workers, vessels, anything.
It is now a felony to report on this fiasco.
Is this still America? What the fuck are they hiding?
Thad Allen claims this is the result of complaints
by "local officials" of reporters getting in the way.
Local officials say, "What the fuck?"
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:16 pm

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One local official is voicing his frustration over what he calls a "nine-to-five" attitude by some federal authorities in the face of the oil disaster.

Jefferson Councilman Chris Roberts says the parish has a plan to build rock levees to help keep oil out of inland waterways like Barataria Bay.

Roberts told WWL First News that after they submitted the proposal to the Army Corps of Engineers last week, Corps officials said last Friday that discussion on the plan would have to be put on hold until the following Monday, because the Corps office would be closed for the weekend.

"Whoever reviews permits, and whatever departments and stakeholders and agencies need to give approval for this...should be working around the clock, just like the people are that are trying to get this oil picked up," Roberts said.

According to Roberts, after cooling their heels for the weekend, parish officials are still awaiting an answer. He says, however, he would be very surprised to get a response over the long federal holiday weekend to come.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

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Re: the BP oil disaster

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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby highstump » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:34 pm

It's a sad state this country has come to. :oops:
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:03 am

http://thehayride.com/2010/07/bidens-gu ... #more-4368

Biden’s Gulf Coast Visit: Much Ado About Nothing
Posted on July 2nd, 2010 by Jeff Crouere This week marked another visit from an Obama administration official. This time, Vice President Joe Biden brought his usual mix of foolish bravado and inappropriate humor to the region. His visit amounted to nothing of substance for the people of Louisiana. His trip required the diversion of resources from vital clean-up efforts. Biden used his short visit to appear on camera with other politicians and eat seafood. Amazingly, Biden refused to meet with Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser and only gave this local leader thirty seconds of his time. Biden used the visit for politics and public relations, instead of an opportunity to address the mess created by the federal government.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:11 am

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... el_opinion

Why Is the Gulf Cleanup So Slow?
There are obvious actions to speed things up, but the government oddly resists taking them.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:46 am

I haven't heard the Biden nonsense, but again I will posit this is likely BP's issue more than the executive's.

However - oil has entered the gulf food stream. They have found trace amounts of oil in crab larvae and young crab. So eventually our food will have a little warning on it that says "this food may contain trace elements of food acceptable for human consumption" and then the stuff that isn't will be shipped to China, re-branded, and shipped back to the US due to lax FDA restrictions.

Hooray

This is so much worse than any given administration, they're all complicit. You can't put this on any one group.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:02 am

gnossos wrote:I haven't heard the Biden nonsense, but again I will posit this is likely BP's issue more than the executive's.


It's an outrage that Joe Bite-Me refused to talk to Nungesser.
Mebbie Billy wouldda been treated better if he was a third world tyrant?

As to BP's issues, we both agree that they need to shut up
and drill the damn well. How do they get to have "issues?"
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:31 am

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Horrible… Obama Administration Lied About Oil Spill Cleanup Efforts
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, July 2, 2010, 11:51 AM
It’s Day 73 of the Gulf Oil Spill Disaster–
There is now clear evidence that the negligence by the Obama Administration caused the destruction of the Gulf coastline.

** The feds only accepted assistance from 5 of 28 countries.
** It took the Obama Administration 53 days to accept help from the Dutch and British.
** It took them 58 days to mobilize the US military to the Gulf.
** The feds shut down crude-sucking barges due to fire extinguisher concerns.
** The Obama Administration ignore oil boom manufacturers that have miles of product stockpiled in their warehouses.
** They only have moved 31 of 2,000 oil skimmers to the disaster area off of Florida.
** Florida hired an additional 5 skimmer boats to operate off its coast due to federal inaction.
** There are no skimmer boats off the coast of Mississippi.
** The massive A-Boat skimmer won’t be allowed to join the cleanup effort until the Coast Guard and the EPA figure out whether it meets their standards.
** The feds shut down sand berm dredging off the Louisiana coast.
** The president continues to hit the golf course, ball games, hold BBQ’s and party while the crude oil washes up on shore.

Now there’s this… Obama Administration lied about cleanup efforts of Gulf oil spill.
CNS News reported:

Billy Nungesser, president of New Orleans’ Plaquemines Parish, sensed that a chart showing 140 oil skimmers at work — a chart given to him by BP and the Coast Guard — was “somewhat inaccurate.” So, Nungesser asked to fly over the spill to verify the number.

The flyover was cancelled three times before those officials admitted that just 31 of the 140 skimmers were actually deployed.

The incident is detailed in a report released Thursday by Republicans on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Republicans say the report provides evidence that the Obama administration misrepresented the assets devoted to the cleanup, misrepresented the timing of when government officials knew there was an oil spill and misrepresented the level of control the government had over the matter. It also claims the Obama administration seemed more interested in public relations than cleaning the mess and plugging the hole.

The report, which relies on interviews with several local officials in Louisiana, goes on to quote Nungesser, who had been on local and national television enough so that the White House became concerned. Two White House officials visited him on Father’s Day and said, “What do we have to do to keep you off TV?” His answer was, “Give me what I need.”
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:41 am

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/02/c ... -spill-is/

CNN: The feds are trying to block media coverage of how bad the oil spill is
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby highstump » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:33 pm

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