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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:45 am

yeah this is nothing yet, it's going to take at least 48 hours to figure out if the pressure won't rupture it somewhere else. I like how some news articles are saying this is going to be able to be cleaned in 3 months if the seal holds. That's some wishfull thinking right there.

There was kind of a line drawn by the admin recently, giving them a day or two to figure something out, I assume at this point that this is just a bandaid and won't hold. But I'm a pessimist.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:58 am

Mebbie The Obama took credit prematurely?
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:18 am

son you ain't want me to go off on th' 'bama
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby highstump » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:49 pm

gnossos wrote:son you ain't want me to go off on th' 'bama


Bama who? ;)
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:14 am

Shalamabamadingdong, it's the new dance sensation with us young folk
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:18 am

http://www.abc26.com/news/ringside/wgno ... 1847.story

Obama To Louisiana: Drop Dead
Jeff Crouere - jeff@ringsidepolitics.com ABC26 News
July 20, 2010

Last week, numerous speakers appeared before the President's oil spill commission to plead for the resumption of drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Even the commission, which did not contain one representative from the oil and gas industry, was inclined to support the lifting of the moratorium.

This commission was formed by President Obama to study the oil spill disaster and to make sure that another one does not happen in the future. Yet, there have already been hearings in both Washington D.C. and New Orleans. Much is known about why the disaster occurred and the mistakes that were made by both British Petroleum and the federal agency charged with oversight of the drilling operations. To prevent future mishaps, more vigorous oversight is needed, but drilling in the Gulf does not need to be stopped.

Unfortunately, the President decided to issue a six month moratorium on deep water drilling that will have a very negative impact on the economy of Louisiana. According to oil industry analysts, the moratorium will cost the State of Louisiana 46,000 jobs. Top positions in the industry are already being eliminated, and rigs are already leaving, one has departed for Egypt and another one is going to the Congo. Once these rigs leave, they will not be coming back to Louisiana. The resulting job loss will be permanent.

When the initial deep water drilling moratorium was struck down in the federal court, the President responded with another moratorium, disregarding both the directive of the judge and the wishes of the people of Louisiana. Even the President's hand-picked science commission recommended against a moratorium. The moratorium is not only harming our local economy, but it is also making our country more dependent on foreign oil and putting our national security at risk.

The administration is not content to stop all deep water drilling in the Gulf. For all practical purposes, all new drilling in the Gulf has been brought to a standstill. Industry officials report that the permitting process for all drilling has been made so cumbersome that there is no new oil and gas activity in the Gulf. Reports are that major oil and gas employers in Louisiana are getting ready to cut massive numbers of jobs in the days ahead unless this moratorium is lifted and the permitting process is changed.

Does the President care that his decisions are causing major economic harm to Louisiana? It seems the goal of the administration is to inflict economic harm on the red state of Louisiana. Last week, it was also announced that a major shipyard, Avondale, located right outside of New Orleans will be closing in 2013, which will result in the loss of 5,000 direct jobs and 7,000 indirect jobs. These are high paying positions that will not be replaced anytime soon. Next to Tulane University, this shipyard is the largest private sector employer in the New Orleans, so the blow to the local economy is major.

The defense contractor Northrop Grumman which manages the shipyard announced that they will be closing the shipyard and moving the jobs to another site. This was caused by an overall decline in the administration's ship building budget. Coupled with the drilling moratorium and the cancellation of NASA's Constellation program and the loss of 2,000 aerospace jobs at the Michoud facility in New Orleans East, the policies of the Obama administration are costing the State of Louisiana approximately 60,000 top quality jobs.

When Lafourche Parish President Charlotte Randolph complained to the President that his actions are costing Louisiana thousands of good jobs, he recommended that the newly displaced workers apply for unemployment benefits. The revealing response was an insight into the mind of Obama. Obviously, in his view, seeking government assistance is a viable answer, not a last resort. Yet, his response is an insult to the hard working people of Louisiana, who want to provide for their families, not become dependent on government.

Sadly, Obama's polices are negatively impacting the state, which delivered 59 percent of its vote to John McCain in 2008, In that election, Louisiana voters were smart enough to understand that the Obama agenda was misguided and would be detrimental to our state and national economy.

Everyday the wisdom of Louisiana voters to reject Obama is becoming more apparent. It is a real tragedy that the voters in the blue states did not possess the foresight of the voters in Louisiana.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:12 am

If this track holds, looks like she's gonna hit the bullseye.
She's not supposed to be very strong.
I better get my grass cut tomorrow.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:18 am

and I guess there are leaks on the cap too

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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:25 am

I didn't hear about the leaks.
Bonnie was a total dud.
We didn't even get any rain, and we needed some.
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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby gnossos » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:55 pm

I think they weren't from the cap itself but from pressure the cap caused, they were reported as negligible but still a good amount of oil was coming out.

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Re: the BP oil disaster

Postby Hermit » Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:28 pm

And now this...

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/30/d ... ulf-spill/

Did the government cause the Gulf spill?

9:30 am on July 30, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The generally accepted view of the Deepwater Horizon disaster has focused on the blowout preventer and the non-standard procedures BP conducted just before the explosion and fire. However, most of the damage and the main source of the spill came from the collapse and sinking of the DH platform rather than the initial explosion. A new report by the Center for Public Integrity, based on testimony from people on scene and Coast Guard logs, contains evidence that the platform sunk because of a botched response from the Coast Guard, which failed to coordinate firefighting efforts and to get the proper resources to fight the fire: The Coast Guard has gathered evidence it failed to follow its own firefighting policy during the Deepwater Horizon disaster and is investigating whether the chaotic spraying of tons of salt water by private boats contributed to sinking the ill-fated oil rig, according to interviews and documents.
Coast Guard officials told the Center for Public Integrity that the service does not have the expertise to fight an oil rig fire and that its response to the April 20 explosion may have broken the service’s own rules by failing to ensure a firefighting expert supervised the half-dozen private boats that answered the Deepwater Horizon’s distress call to fight the blaze.
An official maritime investigation led by Coast Guard Capt. Hung M. Nguyen in New Orleans is examining whether the salt water that was sprayed across the burning platform overran the ballast system that kept the rig upright, changing its weight distribution, and causing it to list.
Ocean rigs are massive, tall structures — usually several stories high — that float on the water. The rig can be lowered or raised by adjusting air and sea water contained in its ballast tanks. These tanks have seals that were likely damaged by the fire blazing on the rig, which would have allowed the massive amounts of sea water sprayed on the rig to fight the fire to enter the tanks and seriously disturb the rig’s center of gravity.
The main source of the spill was not the blowout preventer, but the riser pipe to the rig. When the rig collapsed and sank a few days after the blowout, the pipe tore open and began pouring tens of thousands of barrels of oil each day into the Gulf of Mexico. Had the rig been salvaged, it’s likely that most of the spill would never have occurred.
The Coast Guard is not supposed to participate in firefighting, but instead assign an expert to coordinate the private firefighting efforts of the rig operator and its contractors. The Coast Guard failed to do so, and the result was an uncoordinated, “general response” effort that mainly relied on salt water to extinguish the fires. That is not the most effective way to fight rig fires; the best way is to use foam, which apparently wasn’t on hand. An expert would have known this, but as CPI’s report of the testimony shows, none was assigned:
Kevin Robb, a civilian Coast Guard search and rescue specialist who acted as the first watch commander the night of the accident, testified that there was no attempt by the Coast Guard Command Center in New Orleans to designate a fire marshal to take charge.
“Did you, sir, make any efforts on that first night when you responded to the Command Center to identify a certified fire marshal to oversee the firefighting efforts?” Robb was asked at the hearing on May 11, according to a transcript reviewed by the Center.
“No, sir, I did not,” he answered.
“Are you aware of anyone else at the Coast Guard Command Center that made such an effort?
“No, sir, not to my knowledge.”
“Do you know, if at any point, over the next several days there was ever any designation of an authority, a governmental authority to oversee or coordinate the firefighting effort for this rig?” Robb was asked.
“No, sir, I don’t,” replied Robb.
Rob Bluey notes that the White House has been quiet about this, and has a few ideas why:
These new details raise serious questions for the White House, which has repeatedly pinned the blame on BP. If it turns out the Coast Guard is at fault — either because it didn’t follow proper procedures or couldn’t respond adequately because of a lack of resources — the public has a right to know why we’re just now learning this information 100 days after the disaster began.
The crippling budget cuts President Obama proposed for the Coast Guard also deserve a closer examination. Obama’s spending plan reduced the blue water fleet by a full one-third, slashed 1,000 personnel, five cutters, and several aircraft, including helicopters. According to the Center for Public Integrity, the Coast Guard updated its official maritime rescue manual — advising against firefighting aboard a rig — just seven months before the Deepwater Horizon explosion. That change in policy came at a time when Adm. Thad Allen warned the budget cuts threatened to turn the Coast Guard into a “hollow force.”
An earlier report from Mehta and Solomon also raised important questions that the White House has yet to answer about what Obama knew when. That investigation revealed the White House timeline of events failed to acknowledge an oil leak until four days after the explosion, even though the Coast Guard’s timeline reported a leak one day after the explosion.
That also has a relation to the administration’s insistence on imposing a moratorium on all new drilling in the Gulf. If the issue was that previous inspections by the MMS couldn’t be trusted, it wouldn’t take a blanket moratorium to fix it. MMS could reinspect each rig and allow new drilling to proceed on a case-by-case basis. But if the Coast Guard has inadequate resources to address rig fires thanks to ill-conceived budget cuts, then their fear of expanded drilling makes a little more sense.
The White House needs to come clean on this point. Certainly BP’s actions created the situation in the Gulf, but if the US response is what made it exponentially worse, we need to know that and take the corrective action necessary to ensure we don’t repeat it.
Update: I changed “have the proper resources” to “get the proper resources” in the first paragraph. The CG isn’t expected to fight the fires themselves, but to coordinate the response and resources. “Get” is more accurate.
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