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Animals used in luxury products

Postby Taff » Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:23 pm

So that we keep things on topic as they say, I figured I'd start this thread to continue the debate thathas arisen concerning animals used in luxury products, specifically in this case shaving brushes but I see no reason not to let this thread blossom into all sorts of debate about animals in products.

I shall start by answering a question about beaver hair shaving brushes. The honest answer is I have no idea whether beavers are farmed at all. I didn't know you could use the hair for shaving brushes till Piperman sent me one. Maybe he could tell us more about the background to it?
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Re: Animals used in luxury products

Postby Brett » Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:56 pm

The list is long. It may be useful to qualify the subject as to whether the animal has to die in order for the product to be used.

ie, Deer antler or ivory can be used without harming the animal if the tusk is sawn off without killing the elephant (deer antler is discarded naturally every year). Can some animal 'hair' be used from merely clipping/shaving the animal rather than skinning it?
Can snakeskin be used from cast-off skin, or does the skin need to be removed from a dead snake.
What about whale baleen & ambergris?

Does it matter that ALL the parts of the animal are used (ie, meat, bones, teeth, etc) rather than just discarded?
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Re: Animals used in luxury products

Postby Brett » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:01 am

What about leather (tobacco pouches)?
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Re: Animals used in luxury products

Postby Dodger » Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:28 pm

I have no problem with the use of animal products either wild or domesticated ,as the following provisos are met .

1 No endangered species whether locally or globally

2 No partial use of the animal ,reptile or fish .

3 A humane as possible kill
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Re: Animals used in luxury products

Postby gnossos » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:48 pm

I'm with Dodger for the most part.

I'm not sure how I feel about ivory extensions on pipes. Ivory harvesting has always been a bit of a nasty business for the most part so even "pre-ban" ivory doesn't sit well with me. It creates demand which requires supply.
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Re: Animals used in luxury products

Postby Taff » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:58 pm

My thoughts, as may have been gathered from the other thread that spawned this one, is that as long as an animal is reared for production and is treated well during its life and especially its death then I have no issues. I'm not ok with harvesting wild animals for fur or other products like ivory etc.

When it comes to antique stuff then I guess that's different because the damage has been done so to speak? But I certainly wouldn't support a trade by buying new.
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Re: Animals used in luxury products

Postby AltonVic » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:33 pm

Personally like others have said I have no issue with animals being breed for our needs as long as they are cared for.

What difference is there in farming badgers for their hair and cows for beef and leather ?
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Re: Animals used in luxury products

Postby Taff » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:49 pm

AltonVic wrote:.....
What difference is there in farming badgers for their hair and cows for beef and leather ?


None that I can see, especially as the badgers in question also have their meat used
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Re: Animals used in luxury products

Postby KevLa » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:41 am

I define a 'luxury item' as something that is unnecessary, and the use of which can therefore be avoided.
I think of suffering as being what should be considered the ultimate enemy of all.
I believe that if suffering can be avoided, it should be.
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Re: Animals used in luxury products

Postby KevLa » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:55 am

To clarify the above, since I don't appear to be able to edit it:
If the causing of suffering can be avoided, it should be.
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