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Donald Trump

Postby KevLa » Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:40 am

Why?
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Dodger » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:27 am

Ask God not us .
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby KevLa » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:44 am

Why, God? Why?
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby KevLa » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:09 am

:| It seems even God doesn't know why...
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby KevLa » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:13 am

Why, Satan? Why?
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Dodger » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:43 am

Satan's busy ,but his answer would be why not .
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby KevLa » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:56 am

Yeah, I suppose so...
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby PipeStoke » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:04 pm

Dodger wrote:Satan's busy, but his answer would be why not .


Not so busy I won't ponder your question. :evil:

The answer would be that if people are so far off the rails that they will actually vote for Trump, then it's their own look-out. I merely gave them the opportunity to vote for him – I did not tell them to.

And so I leave it to be decided by humankind itself; up, or down?
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Hermit » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:14 pm

Why not?
We've tried everything else.


I like Ben Carson, but if Trump is the nominee, I'll vote for him.
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby acaciavet » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:30 pm

I love a man who will tell a Politician to P up a rope.I love Trump and I hate Politicians!
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby HowlinWolf » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:54 pm

The average guy's reaction, regardless of party affiliation, to any 10 things that Donald Trump says:

8 whoa Nellie!
1 that was a little harsh
1 it's about time someone said that

All three categories, combined with his being so blunt and black & white about every topic under the sun, are what is generating the buzz.

He will not get the Republican nomination, and even if he does he will lose.
If for no other reason than the people in Ohio and Indiana, who apparently decide what their political philosophy is on an election by election basis, won't cozy up to his rhetoric and his message.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby PipeStoke » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:01 pm

I hold a strong skepticism towards anyone who, when debating complex questions, offers only simple black and white answers.

Sometimes a simple message can be a strong and genuine response, but once policy can be boiled down to slogans with no real conceptual context required, there is reason for concern that the simple message is simple, merely because that removes the responsibility to formulate what is actually needed.

Ultimately, simple black and white messages are spouted by politicians who are not willing to do the hard work of formulating a genuinely useful response, in order to placate those voters whose attention span is too short to demand public policy created with real ability.
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby HowlinWolf » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:27 pm

PipeStoke wrote:I hold a strong skepticism towards anyone who, when debating complex questions, offers only simple black and white answers.

Sometimes a simple message can be a strong and genuine response, but once policy can be boiled down to slogans with no real conceptual context required, there is reason for concern that the simple message is simple, merely because that removes the responsibility to formulate what is actually needed.

Ultimately, simple black and white messages are spouted by politicians who are not willing to do the hard work of formulating a genuinely useful response, in order to placate those voters whose attention span is too short to demand public policy created with real ability.


What he said 8-)
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby acaciavet » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:06 pm

We have a Girly man in charge now I want to see a leader with Balls. People that don't like The Trump are afraid of losing something.Now me I don't need anything and I hate the gubment!
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby PipeStoke » Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:44 am

acaciavet wrote:We have a Girly man in charge now I want to see a leader with Balls. People that don't like The Trump are afraid of losing something.Now me I don't need anything and I hate the gubment!


That's really the problem I have with the mode of argument that we get from Trump as well; 'Girly man' is not much of a political argument, but just a slur and advances nothing other than adversarialism which is at the core of how politics is failing across the board in many countries; One government makes a change, another gets in and undoes that change. Ping-pong politics is all that results in and it causes stagnation in both the economy and cultural development of any country.

I don't know that I'd particularly want to vote for Obama either, but the decision needs to be made on the basis of policy, not slurs. It also needs to be made on the basis of a greater understanding of what is behind public policy, rather than what I would call concept-slurring. That any change to 'how we've always done it is part of some socialist agenda, for example. Obama is no socialist – in fact he is very, very far from that, despite what is often bandied about.

There are very few successful outcomes in the history of politics which are not a result of working across the middle, the reason for this has to do with the above-mentioned ping-pong. Governing for one side of politics is, in name, to govern for one side of the population and leaves very little political capital for posterity. It is however, only governing in name for one side of the population; the great majority of the population benefits from collaboration across the middle wherever that is practicable.
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Dodger » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:29 am

For those who do not know Northern English slang trump = fart .
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Josh1982 » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:04 pm

Interesting! I love politics, and I must admit that I really like Trump. I completely understand and can appreciate the general aversion to Trump as a candidate by some(and I suppose that would be closer to absolute abhorrence if you’re left-leaning!), but I think he really has a huge appeal for blue-collar and right wing Americans. He has straightforward solutions to complex problems, and this is where it becomes complicated for the American left due to the fact that they have a general tendency to believe that the solution to any national problem must be entirely inoffensive to everyone involved(inside or outside the U.S., American or not), which I strongly believe is completely erroneous. Considering that I am from a border state(Texas), I am temporarily living in Mexico, and my mother was from Mexico, I think my perspective on one of Trump’s more controversial positions, the issue of immigration, could be considered quite robust.

He’s not a politician, as AcaciaVet has already pointed out, he’s a man with solutions and no smooth talk. If he’s elected people will be offended, but I’m fine with that as long as he gets the country back on track, instead of placating and promising like the lot of Washington’s empty suits.
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby acaciavet » Sat Sep 26, 2015 8:59 pm

He has Balls! I like Balls ! We have a clown in charge now that has wrecked my country!I love the Trump
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby KevLa » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:39 pm

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby PipeStoke » Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:11 pm

Fundamentally, the greatest problem with a candidate like Trump, and they exist in many countries, is his complete and utter lack of respect for the electorate. Trump has one strategy and one strategy alone; treat the public as though they are mugs, and thereby catch people out, making them believe that this somehow represents a form of honesty.

The disregard for those he wants to vote for him is staggering and can only be explained by what must be an almost unfathomable contempt for his supporters.

Make no mistake, Trumps contempt is for his supporters, not his opponents.
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