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Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby KevinP » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:59 am

I'm no stranger to NZ. I did my doctorate in Wellington but as an international student so I was often bouncing back and forth between there and Korea. But now I'm seriously considering doing my sabbatical year there, which raises the question: how does one get tobacco there? I recall some horror stories posted here in the past, but, forum members who came up as from NZ in a quick sesrch are no longer active.

If it's just a matter of paying hefty import duties, that'll suck but I'll do it. Is this the case?
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby JacintoCupboard » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:44 am

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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby ratatosk » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:16 am

erm, the excise on a kilo of pipe tobacco is $657.81USD? Are the kiwis crazy, don't they know that is exactly how you wind up with a robust smuggling industry that corrupts everything and everyone? Or am I reading this incorrectly?
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby JacintoCupboard » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:37 am

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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby Dodger » Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:26 pm

ratatosk wrote:erm, the excise on a kilo of pipe tobacco is $657.81USD?

ING HELL :o :shock:
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby Sherlock » Mon May 05, 2014 8:53 am

The Tobacco Excise for every kilo of Tobacco imported is now up to $777.00 and rising. Every year they whack on 10%. Both Mainstream Parties the Labor and National are on the same page in regards to this as are the Greens and the two Maori Party's. They are all right in there with the professional anti smoking lobby. All are pumping out the same anti smoking rubbish based on the fear of death. With such widespread organized war against us, how can the Smokers of Aotearoa win when they are being bombarded with anti smoking propaganda from all angles, the state, the state funded lobbyists, the mainstream political parties, the trade unions which are the puppets of the mainstream parties, the corporates, the media, the state aligned charity's. Its all a cleverly organized war of terror on basic human rights, on freedom and liberty being perpetuated by so few against so many. Unfortunately the average Kiwi is too dumb to realize this and just accepts it.

The National Government since 2010 have been trying to stamp out smokers. They have a deal with the Maori Party over confidence and supply. In return the Maori Party get a say in Government Matters. One of the foremost anti smoking campaigners is a Brown Nazi called Tariana Turia. Thanks to her the cost of tobacco is now rising annually with further restrictions on the way. Tobacconists as a trade are now extinct in NZ because they are not permitted to use the word tobacco or tobacconist on their buildings. They are forbidden from displaying product in their stores and forbidden from talking shop with customers. Tobacco Products are hidden behind doors so you can view what is on sale. The Government would like to enforce clear packaging, that is, tobacco containers and packets that are blank. Ontop of this, all tobacco packets must contain images of rotting feet etc. to discourage smoking. Interesting that abortion clinics dont have to use pictures of murdered foetus's next to their phone book listings, but we smokers are forced to endure images of rotten gangrenous body parts on tobacco packaging's. Interesting that the health NAZIs always go on about the effects on health that arise from smoking yet nothing is said about the murder of thousands of unborn children each year as a result of legalized abortion. The whole system reeks of double standards. whilst we smokers are made out to be society's anti social crowd, the abortionists aren't. Perhaps its because the NAZI agenda has always been one of eliminating smokers, and state supported genocide which is clearly what abortions are. If it is okay for a women to do what she likes with her body, because its her body as the feminists say, then i as a smoker should be allowed to partake of the blessed leaf without any form of persecution. Yet we smokers are being persecuted in New Zealand.

In New Zealand a portion of the tobacco excise goes to funding professional killjoy lobbyists. ASH/Smokefree NZ and the Ministry of Health both of whom feel they have the god given right to go around and persecute smokers. The stated aims of the anti smoking lobby are to have a smokefree nz by 2025. After that date all who haven't been forced to give up through attrition will probably be incarcerated in smokers correctional facility's (concentration camps)

As well as all of this, in the last Labor Government they banned smoking in Returned Servicemen s Clubs and other social places such as hotels etc. There is an active campaign to ban smokers from partaking outdoors on the street and in their own motor vehicles. There are known incidences of people being discriminated in the workplace because they are a smoker, discrimination that the anti smoking lobby condone on the basis that smoking needs to be stamped out.

If ever you wanted to see a Nation that is almost National Socialist in outlook, look no further then New Zealand. I am a Loyal Brother of the Briar to the bitter end, and i tell you the persecution is unbelievable. This is how things were in Germany before the real policies got Implemented. Its a known fact that the National Socialists in the 1930s were staunchly against smokers and considered smoking to be masturbation of the lungs. What is going on New Zealand right now, with a handful of puritanical Nazis conning people into hating smoking and smokers is just the tip of the iceberg. Once they have got rid of smoking, what then? I suppose they will start on Racial Hygiene, exterminate the Jews and Half breeds. National Socialism didn't die out, it went underground and since 1984 has been alive and Well in New Zealand.

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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby Bob » Mon May 05, 2014 9:05 pm

If only all the smokers could quit buying tobacco for a month or two, their socialist agenda would be at risk. They would be crapping their pants and maybe even changing the restrictions.

I know it's not possible but wouldn't it be sweet. :twisted:
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby Sherlock » Tue May 06, 2014 7:15 am

I forgot to mention

The cost for a 50gram (or 1oz) tin of Dunhill if brought over the counter in New Zealand would be around $98.00 NZ ($85 US). The same too for most other off the shelf brands such as Peterson, etc etc. Loose tobacco in jars, the quantity of which you can determine for yourself before purchase, is non existent. So we have no choice but to buy 50grams worth of tobacco each time. In other words we don't have much of a choice other than to import ourselves. We face the harsh import duty's but the cost is significantly less per unit then retail. We are speaking of at least $20.00 in savings per unit/50gm tin.

Count yourselves very lucky in the USA at the moment hasn't proposed such draconian measures like we here in New Zealand have been lumbered with. Given that 1 or 2 states of the Union were probably founded by Tobacco Growers, that and the fact that Native Indians have been consuming Tobacco for hundreds of years, then it is highly unlikely that the blessed leaf will disappear entirely from the USA! But be warned, New Zealand is a testing ground for policy's that the elite hope to enforce upon the rest of the world, so, it could happen in the US of A to a degree.

I don't know if Uncle Sam has any vested interests in seeing the growth of Tobacco Consumption but if he does, please send a few thousand troops, the Navy and Air-force down under and liberate us Smokers from this Socialist Dictatorship we here in New Zealand are living under! :lol:

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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby KevinP » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:26 am

Well, my sabbatical got delayed because the professors before me delayed theirs, but it is shaping up now, and I'll be heading to New Zealand in about a year, for a year.

Ugh. Maybe not the best choice pipe-wise (but my next choice wasn't any better), but this is what it is.
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby PipeStoke » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:13 am

NZ is even worse than Australia, it seems.

I don't know how diligent NZ customs are when it comes to stopping tobacco products, but I rely on 4Noggins to get mine here. As long as I keep it below 4-5 tins and do not go above about 400grammes per shipment, it seems to come through OK. Granted, there are a few days during each shipment that I wonder whether it's been stopped or not, in which case they send out a letter asking you to pay the excise. I've had that happen twice in, I think, 30 shipments. It's still cheaper to pay the excise than it is to buy the tins here though, so I did that.
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby KevinM » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:35 pm

Stories like this you to seem unbelievable to me until what has recently happened with the FDA here in the USA trying to put a strangle hold on tobacco choice, if not consumption. I feel sorry for you chaps in these uber nanny state countries that are manipulating your free will. I have said it time and time again, there are worse vices than smoking affecting the health and well being of our respective countries. Alcohol consumption, poor food choices, industrial waste, etc., etc. But for some reason many of these fly below the radar and it boggles me as to why and how.
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby KevLa » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:47 pm

It has nothing to do with protecting 'our' health, and everything to do with increasing 'their' political and/or financial power.
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby KevinP » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:16 pm

Well look at this way: if the tobacco lobbies ran the countries like certain other lobbies do, we'd have a whole different set of problems.
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby PipeStoke » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:42 am

KevinM wrote:I feel sorry for you chaps in these uber nanny state countries that are manipulating your free will.


As KevLa says above, it doesn't have much to do with nanny state in that sense; it's a matter of revenue and nothing else. True, 'health' is the excuse used, but it has nothing to do with it. Compare it to whether one is allowed to swear on TV which is somewhat more acceptable in Europe; to me, the curtailment of that is a bigger sign of a nanny state than anything else as it clearly does no harm.

KevinP wrote:Well look at this way: if the tobacco lobbies ran the countries like certain other lobbies do, we'd have a whole different set of problems.


True. Ultimately, smoking does affect health and I have to admit that if I had kids, I'd do my damned best to encourage them not to take tobacco in any form. Having said that, the current taxation levels here does a lot to promote illegally grown tobacco.

Now I just want to settle in my chair with a pipe.
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby Dodger » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:37 pm

In the UK it is legal to grow your own ,but not to sell it .I used to know someone who did this and he mixed it with bulk purchases to give it a bit more flavour .
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby Geo3rge » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:48 pm

I'm also tempted to think that the financial aspect is uppermost in current thinking. It's housekeeping on a grand scale. The health issues are, of course, very important in all of this and if they weren't in place we'd have a much worse situation regarding the over-use or abuse of tobacco products.
The increasing costs mean we all have to tighten our belts, smoke less or be content with restricted resources and opportunities. We will be healthier, but I'm not necessarily happier as the straitjackets tighten around us.
Those other evils are there; they don't get the spotlight like tobacco. Perhaps the lobbyists have been ultra-selective in their lobbying?
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby KevLa » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:17 pm

Anti-tobacco is much more popular than anti-junk food, anti-alcohol, anti-automobiles, anti-overwork, et cetera. And if one is selling something, the more popular it is, the more one will profit. The politicians want to profit, and that's all.
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby KevinP » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:36 pm

So I brought three pipes (a Caminetto, and Ardor and a Jacono walk into a bar...) and no tobacco with me, with the plan of ordering the software after I arrived. Took a while to get my semi-permanent place settled, but ordered from 4noggins after I did. I waited and waited but nothing. Eventually I had to accept that that package was lost. Finally, I bit the bullet and bought one tin and the local price of approx US$77. It was Ashton's Consumate Gentlemen, which was basically the only one with latakia. It's very well-mannered--too much so in fact, but I at least I have something.

Then the day I buy it, I get an email from 4noggins saying my package had been returned to them and they'll send it again.

Can't smoke in my office like I usually do, but that's hardly unexpected. I go to the local, order a pint, sit outside and enjoy my pipe. Just glad it's spring now and reasonably mild year-round.

And there sure are a lot of those vaping things here. (More accurately, there must be comparatively fewer of them in Korea than in western countries, even though I see many of the shops.)
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby KevLa » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:57 pm

Glad to hear you found something to smoke, Kevin. Hope the parcel arrives this time.
I don't think I'll be going to New Zealand any time soon; I get through 50g in about four days :)
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Re: Pipe smoking in New Zealand

Postby Geo3rge » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:20 pm

All the best, Kevin, in negotiating the troubled paths of public smoking...good luck for a safe and welcome place to enjoy a pipe. As with Kevla, I’ll be avoiding that particular price tag if I can. 50g lasts me about a week or so. Happy smoking wherever you may be.
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