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Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby Cobking » Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:33 am

I know I read about this somewhere on this forem but for the life of me I cant find it now. I know theres a meerschaum company that will make custom meers to order and that they are able to make a duplicate of the meer smoked by Lee Van Cleef in "For a Few Dollars More".If anybody out there knows the name of this company can you please let me know.
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby ChuckMac » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:08 am

Bob, I've read that meer was made by a company called WDC (William Demuth Company) who also made the Wellington briars. I'd like to know more as well about the man, his pipes and the tobacco he smoked.
I have a strong hunch that his tobacco may have been a Tinder Box mixture celled Philosopher. I do know he bought his tobacco at the Tinder Box in the Esplanade in Oxnard Calif, where he lived, in the 70's.
I was home ported in Port Hueneme from '71 to '74. Port Hueneme was the next town over from Oxnard but I never got to meet the man.
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby Cobking » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:35 am

I dont know that much about his smoking habots...Ive never looked into it...Im just trying to get a duplicate meer ....Do you know of any books that discuss his smoking habits?
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby Cobking » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:39 am

Im not talking about the original pipe maker for his pipe....that company is no longer in business....Im talking about a modern meerschaum maker that custom makes pipes and does a copy of the pipe used in the movie....I know Ive seen the link for the website on this forem once before....but I cant find it now
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby ScotsJim » Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:11 pm

Cobking wrote:I know Ive seen the link for the website on this forem once before....but I cant find it now
Bob


Try and remember any key words or phrases used in the original post and use the search function provided on T&P Bob. Good look matey.
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby Bob » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:25 pm

One of the guys here had a really cool looking meer made with "the man in the moon" theme. If you can can find that picture/post, you will find the maker. When you find it, point us to it again. I might want to have a custom meer made too.
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby ChuckMac » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:30 pm

altinokmeerschaumpipes.com can make a replica. Says he can even have it colored the same. Cost is $119.95, $15 for coloring, and $15 shipping. Takes him about 3 weeks to make.
Be best to double check.
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby aquaholic » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:32 pm

bob9039 wrote:One of the guys here had a really cool looking meer made with "the man in the moon" theme. If you can can find that picture/post, you will find the maker. When you find it, point us to it again. I might want to have a custom meer made too.


Pretty sure that "man in the moon" pipe is papabears. I think Altinok pipes will do customs like that. I know you can send them your photo and they will carve a pipe in your likeness :lol: http://altinokmeerschaumpipes.com/portraitpipe.asp ( we all need to get Jim to do that btw ;) )
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby bearded1 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:35 pm

I had to google the pipe...if it's the full bent billiard with the yellow stem and the blackening around the rim, then I'd imagine altinok meerschaum would have very little trouble duplicating this. I've emailed him a few times about ideas and he has craftsmen of all skill levels. Good luck.
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby Cobking » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:55 pm

Hey Chuck,Isaac,Paul...thanks a bunch...that is the website I remember thanks again for the help
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby dbreazeale » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:12 am

http://www.spaghetti-western.net/forum/ ... pic=3194.0

there ya go! scroll down through the pics at around picture #8 or so to get somewhat better looks at the meer.
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby kdj70 » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:13 pm

Bob, keep us posted on this, I'd like to see what Altinok can come up with for you.
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby ScotsJim » Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:45 pm

kdj70 wrote:Bob, keep us posted on this, I'd like to see what Altinok can come up with for you.


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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby nak » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:41 am

Had to pick up on this old Thread as I was browsing. I became fascinated by Lee Van Cleef in "For a Few Dollars More" and his other Westerns. I actually found a duplicate WDC WEllington Pipe just like the one smoked in "The Good The Bad and The Ugly" and I made one from a new Meerschaum to look like the one in "For a Few Dollars More".

WDC Wellington:

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Just thought some of you may be interested. I had to get rid of the original stem on the Meer, and find a Yellow Bakelite, then I used a special coloring process burning waxes and rags on it. I had the help of some Carver I knew in Turkey. The WDC I found on eBay after a LONG time! These are very cool pipes! - -Hope you enjoy..............
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby Taspiper » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:03 pm

Cool! Good job nak.
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby ChuckMac » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:03 pm

Wellingtons are easy to find. They are usually all over E-bay and smokingpipes.com were selling new ones back in Feburary.
A meer like Van Cleefs isn't easy to come by. Damned hard to copy too. So far I haven't seen anyone succeed.

EDIT: Smokingpipes.com have no Wellies now but pipesandcigars.com do if you believe them.
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby HowlinWolf » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:39 pm

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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby nak » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:10 am

Thank you Taspiper, that's very kind of you. Back several years ago I had a very hard time finding a Wellington (they might be out there now with the explosion of the Estate market, but I haven't looked recently) - - I was really excited to find one, and one in such great shape. It a good smoker too.

Interesting note - - According to Pipedia Online - - "Demuth pipes continued to be made at the Richmond Hill plant till December 31. 1972. Then the Wm. Demuth Company met its official end as a subsidiary company by liquidation. Demuth's mainstay pipe, the Wellington continued to be offered in the S.M. Frank catalog until 1976. In the mid-80's, the Wellington even made a brief return as a direct to the consumer offer".

I knew someone on another Forum who apparently lived close to Van Cleef and his (Van Cleef's) comment was that the WDC smoke just as well as a Peterson and are priced better! (But remember that is only "Third Party" Hearsay)!

As to the Meer, well it was brand spanking new (and white) with an Dark Amber colored stem, so getting that similar look was challenging. I don't know if you have tried force coloring a Meer, but I tried several techniques and it's tough. I was very pleased with it. (You know, - - not Museum Quality or an exact duplicate, but similar - - you know, - - "look-like"). Plus finding an actual "antique yellow Bakelite" stem was a stroke of luck from a Pipe-Maker. (He literally only had one left).

I appreciate the link HowlinWolf! - - That's a very cool Meer! Getting the Top burnt like that is an art, but I have no idea how he got that "mottled" look to the coloring on the side. My Meer has colored significantly more since these pictures were taken, but not "mottled"! Altinok did a beautiful job with it. Enough to give me some PAD, but I have too many other things going right now (Definitely bookmarked this one though)!! Great find on the Link!!
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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby ChuckMac » Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:03 am

E-bay abounds with Wellington's now. If I had some cash I'd get one before they're all gone. Seems the small one is rare, the mediums are plentiful now and there are several of the big ones available for the lucky "winner" of the auctions. Me? I don't that kind of luck or the cash.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WELLINGTON-IMPO ... 4164845f86
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-WELLING ... 3cc4b0b51a
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-WELLING ... 3a72c5d23f
http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-1-2-inch-GIGA ... 3cc4b9a259
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUGE-WELLINGTON ... 4844d75715
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Large-Wellingto ... 35bb14bbab

Want another one? A new one? Pipes and cigars still have them.
http://pipesandcigars.com/wellington.html

Not as hard to find as they once were. Last year it was damned near impossible to find a new one. Ebay was just about the only hope and most of those were estate. I think I saw two new ones last year. I used to own one of the big ones. Looked like I was playing the sax when I smoked it. Gave it to my brother and he gave it away later. I'd have kept it if I had known he was going to get rid of it.

I gave a pipe away that was a 1/2 bent with a yellow bakelite stem but it had fewer swirls and they were a light yellow instead of white or clear. I don't think it would have been a good match for what you wanted. It had a bone fitting so that probably screwed the pooch too.

The black at the rim isn't hard to do but you have to start with meer that has never been waxed and oil cure it. Any wax at all and your screwed from the git go. The old gent who was teaching me to do it died before I learned his methods so I went ahead and waxed the pipe after he died and began smoking it since everything else had come to a screeching halt. Here's a pic and you can see that I didn't get very far before J.M. died. It takes a while to do and you have to repeat it several times. Sort of took the heart out of me and I said to hell with it. I didn't even finish the top as well as I wanted to. Tedious work and easy to screw up. I didn't have the formula for the oil either. J.M.'s son (9 years old at the time) did the squiggles with the tip of a pocket knife. We soaked the stummel to soften it. I was trying to model it after one I had seen. I never bothered to look for a yellow stem for this one. I don't think it'd look good. The boy that did the squiggles is gone too. He was a down's kid. Wally could carve like you'd have to see to believe. I say he was a savant of sorts but I never heard anyone else say that. He was a good boy. I no longer smoke this one since he's gone too. Pipes like this one are pretty easy to come by and I wanted to make one like it since there were so many nice examples to look at. Oh well. Life's a bitch and then you die but sometimes important people go first and then it's even more of a bitch. J.M. was a Marine and taught me to shoot an M1 the right way. You know what the right way to shoot an M1 is? The Marine way. :D

You have more gumption than I did. You took on a hard one. I have no idea how they get the mottling. I was told that you can "spot wax" the stummel after you boil the rim and then expose it to a concentrated smoke stream while moving the pipe around in the stream of smoke. Maybe...I dunno. I have a Peterson that's mottled but it has no black at the rim and the damned thing has already been waxed. Once waxed twice screwed. Like I said I don't have the formula for the oil. We were boiling the rim in an oil concoction of J.M.'s. I have no idea what was in it but once when I asked he said "the whale forgives and the rest is dear" so I suspect that whale oil may have been one of the oils.
I'd have no idea how to burn one. With my luck I'd crack the pipe or burn part of it away and be SOL. Oh well.

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Re: Lee Van Cleef Meerschaum?

Postby englanddave » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:24 am

An interesting article from the new york times 1911
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 946096D6CF
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